Curse

Musheen · Feb 27, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Hello all, I'm pretty new to the forums here, so sorry if this topic has been posted else where, my search didn't find any topics like this. If there's one out there please post the link.

Yesterday I was playing GWEN and defeated a boss. I went to capture and found that the elite skill is something from factions, and was not allowed to capture the skill. This irked me a little bit. I was thinking it would be nice if we were allowed to capture the skill, but just not use it until we paid for either Factions or Nightfall, whichever campaign the skill came from.

This may be something unique to GWEN as the bosses are allowed to use skills from all three campaigns, I'm not sure if the rest of the elite skills are exclusive to the campaigns they come from or not.

Thoughts and ideas?

EDITS
OK, It seems people aren't fully reading my above comment so let me make sure I'm clear. I am NOT suggesting that I be able to USE the skill that I'm capping, just that I'm able to cap it. A character wouldn't be able to use a skill until the appropriate campaign was purchased. Please, no more comments on having to buy the campaign if I want to use the skill, I understand the need for this.

Summary of valid problems with this proposal

Problem: People would unknowingly cap a skill that they could then not use because they don't have the campaign. (DarkFlame)
Response: Something could be added to inform a player they are about to capture a skill that will not be usable until they purchase the correct campaign, and allow them to cancel the capture.

Problem: Anet will lose money (Miska Bow)
Response: As long as people still have to buy the campaign to use the skill Anet will not lose any money

Problem: When would the xp for the cap be awarded? (Hiken Trilear)
Response: If it is easy to implement then it would be extra incentive to buy the campaign if the xp is awarded at purchase time of the campaign

Problem: A very low percentage of people would actually take advantage of this (Kanyatta)
Response: That's why I started this thread, to get an idea if there was enough interest to warrant action.

Problem: What's the purpose in capping if you can't use the skill (Various Posters)
Response: Mostly a time saving issue. (Please read my responses to Kanaytta, better detail there)

Artorius.Maximus · Feb 27, 2008, 05:29 PM // 17:29

With the exception of 5 elite skills from each core profession (W, R, E, Mo, Me, N) the remainder of all elite skills are campaign specific.

Granted, I own all the campaigns + EOTN, but I am a strong believer of it the boss has a skill (that is not a monster only skill) then I should be able to cap it from him (granted I only cap elites). I think that if Anet introduced the skills from diff campaigns to EOTN, then you should have access to the skill whether or not you own the campaign where it was introduced. Maybe lock it so you can't use on a PvP character, but the PvE character that would cap it would get to use it.

/signed

the Puppeteer · Feb 27, 2008, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Whats the point of capping them if you can't use them?
the - " you cant cap it until you buy it "- is much simpler.

llsektorll · Feb 27, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

it is unique to gwen it doesn't happen in other campaigns... factions is a good buy... assassin is by far the best and most fun class to play in AB and fun in PvP

yum · Feb 27, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by llsektorll

it is unique to gwen it doesn't happen in other campaigns... factions is a good buy... assassin is by far the best and most fun class to play in AB and fun in PvP

Factions is baed.

PvPwise, Proph is the best choice.

PvEwise, Kai Center is not very active for trading stuffs.

On topic: No

Pleikki · Feb 27, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

/notsigned. you can allways buy those games..

Musheen · Feb 27, 2008, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Puppeteer

Whats the point of capping them if you can't use them?
the - " you cant cap it until you buy it "- is much simpler.

The point would be that when I get through enough of EotN I will most likely purchase Factions and/or Nightfall. At which point if I've already ran into bosses with elite skills from these two campaigns in EotN and capped those skills I would have access to them.

Not being able to cap until you buy is no simpler than not allowing you to use a capped skill until you buy.

the Puppeteer · Feb 27, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musheen

The point would be that when I get through enough of EotN I will most likely purchase Factions and/or Nightfall. At which point if I've already ran into bosses with elite skills from these two campaigns in EotN and capped those skills I would have access to them.

Not being able to cap until you buy is no simpler than not allowing you to use a capped skill until you buy.

and capping skills would take too much time?
besides - it would be messed with the skill hunter title - would the capped elites count for it if you can't use them? And the points adding up when you get the game...
Too much fuss for anet

Musheen · Feb 27, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleikki

/notsigned. you can allways buy those games..

This is obvious, but not the point. If bosses are going to be allowed to use skills from these two games against me in EotN, I should be able to capture them. At the point in which I do buy these games I should then be able to use them without having to wander around locating another boss to kill to gain a skill that my character has already been exposed to.

Musheen · Feb 27, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Puppeteer

and capping skills would take too much time?
besides - it would be messed with the skill hunter title - would the capped elites count for it if you can't use them? And the points adding up when you get the game...
Too much fuss for anet

Maybe you have all the time in the world to repeat things. I have other things outside of this game that require my time and attention.

And again, if the bosses can use the skill against me then, yes these should count towards whatever titles and point totals they go towards. All the code for these should already exist, not a fuss for anet.

llsektorll · Feb 27, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by yum

Factions is baed.

PvPwise, Proph is the best choice.

PvEwise, Kai Center is not very active for trading stuffs.

On topic: No

all the campaigns are unique... i particularly didn't like the area design in factions.... felt like a maze more than areas...

Orange Milk · Feb 27, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

/not signed

You want the skills get the campain, thats how it works.

The monsters are "allowed" to use monster skills against me, I can't use em, so what.

Yawgmoth · Feb 27, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

/signed

this makes sense.
The game engine can already handle having skills learned by a character but disabled because of not owning a campagin. It could work this way here aswell.

I believe a player that keeps seeing a 'locked' skill in his skill collection, that has used that cap sig to get it to be (slightly) more likely to buy that campagin than a player that gets annoyed about not being able to cap it once and then forget about it.

Musheen · Feb 27, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Milk

/not signed

You want the skills get the campain, thats how it works.

The monsters are "allowed" to use monster skills against me, I can't use em, so what.

Yes, that's how it currently works, but I thought these forums were meant to present ideas of how we, the users, would like things to work. Besides, I'm not saying that I would be able to use the skill unless I bought the campaign any way, just that I could capture it.

I'm only guessing here, but I'd bet that you have already purchased all the campaigns. And, because of this, you feel that everyone should have to do the same thing. Do you have any other reasoning than "thats how it works" as to why this shouldn't be allowed?

MithranArkanere · Feb 27, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

In GW, you pay per content.
When you unlock skills from campaigns you do not own, your heroes can use them, but you can't.

That's the price for not owning a campaign.

If you want to use their skills or wear their armors, you must purchase their campaigns.

dargon · Feb 27, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by llsektorll

it is unique to gwen it doesn't happen in other campaigns... factions is a good buy... assassin is by far the best and most fun class to play in AB and fun in PvP

Actually, this is not 100% accurate, as their are a couple bosses in the realm of torment in Nightfall that have Factions elites, these also cannot be capped unless you own Factions

Orange Milk · Feb 27, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

So you go to the store to buy some clothes, and theres a dummy with an out fit on, it looks good so you buy it all. And you can't just say "Well, I'm going to take this hat too because I have access to it here in this store with this outfit" and walk out, ya got to buy it.

Here's another one, get on a plane with a coach ticket, try and sit in first class and see what happens, it's right there, just like the elite skill is, but "the way it works" is you didn't pay for it sos ya cain't have it.

Your reason being that "If the monster can use it against me then I have the right" is fail. Monsters in GWEN also /rank people, should you get fame for killing them since they used their emote?

If you don't have Factions you can't AB even though there is a guy in your guild hall that can take you there, should you be allowed to AB since he's right there shouting at you that they need Luxon allies to band togther against the Kurzick hordes? (or vise versa, didn't mean to call you Kurz folks "hordes" just reapeating what I heard)

So there you go, exclusive things are exclusive for a reason, cause thats the way things work.

Musheen · Feb 27, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

In GW, you pay per content.
When you unlock skills from campaigns you do not own, your heroes can use them, but you can't.

That's the price for not owning a campaign.

If you want to use their skills or wear their armors, you must purchase their campaigns.

Please see the edit on the original post...

Also, a question, PM me with the answer if you want instead of putting in this thread. How do I unlock a skill from another campaign for my heroes to use if I can't cap those skills?

DarkFlame · Feb 27, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musheen

I was thinking it would be nice if we were allowed to capture the skill, but just not use it until we paid for either Factions or Nightfall, whichever campaign the skill came from.

But then the people who have those skills locked would make endless whine threads about how they wasted a cap sig on a skill they can't use and how Anet misled/lied to them.

Its fine the way it is. The bosses will always be there, so once you get the campaign you can go cap whatever elite it was that you wanted.

Musheen · Feb 27, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Milk

So you go to the store to buy some clothes, and theres a dummy with an out fit on, it looks good so you buy it all. And you can't just say "Well, I'm going to take this hat too because I have access to it here in this store with this outfit" and walk out, ya got to buy it.

Here's another one, get on a plane with a coach ticket, try and sit in first class and see what happens, it's right there, just like the elite skill is, but "the way it works" is you didn't pay for it sos ya cain't have it.

Your reason being that "If the monster can use it against me then I have the right" is fail. Monsters in GWEN also /rank people, should you get fame for killing them since they used their emote?

If you don't have Factions you can't AB even though there is a guy in your guild hall that can take you there, should you be allowed to AB since he's right there shouting at you that they need Luxon allies to band togther against the Kurzick hordes? (or vise versa, didn't mean to call you Kurz folks "hordes" just reapeating what I heard)

So there you go, exclusive things are exclusive for a reason, cause thats the way things work.

First of all, you are making the same argument as you did the first time you posted. "thats the way things work".

Secondly, none of your analogies are relevant or make any sense. I'm not buying clothes or airplane tickets or asking to be able to AB.

If you can't add anything constructive, please stop posting to this thread.